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Pyramid Head Rape Scene Edited Out of Silent Hill 2 HD?

Pyramid Head

The Silent Hill HD Collection just released this week, and it’s been a somewhat bumpy road getting it to store shelves in as complete a collection as possible. The game first came under scrutiny when word got out that Konami was screwing over the voice actors in receiving royalties for reusing their work and now some eagle-eyed– or elephant-memoried– fans of the game have noticed that an iconic scene has been edited out of this release.  When James Sunderland stumbles through a hallway door, he encounters the infamous Pyramid Head engaging in the rape of a pair of sullen female torsos.  However, in the HD Collection version, the scene allegedly simply opens up with James stepping into the frame and cuts out the rape scene almost entirely.

It’s interesting to see that some of this game was censored on its voyage to rerelease and raises the question of whether or not any more content has been edited out of the game.  Is this a case of censorship or perhaps artistic reconsideration?  Given the odd trip this game has had on its way to PS3 and 360, I have a feeling it’s probably the former.

[via GameFAQs]

John-Charles is an avid video game enthusiast who loves games with strong story, smart design, and a lick of fun. He's very hopeful for the future where others are doubtful and looks back on retro games with fond memories. With a long history with games, both old and new, he tends to Defaullt Prime's veritable museum of games, The Bitereon Collection, with a new entry every week. He's also a studying engineer turned communications with an eye for design. He also thinks cartoons are neat.
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Soul Gamer
Soul Gamer

These sort of scenes are quite disturbing and I think isn't relevant to include in video games. I won't be affected if I bought it

 

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Yukichin
Yukichin

First of all, the royalty issue was completely the voice actors' fault; the voice actor for James, Guy Cihi, insisted he was owed them when in fact he was NOT.

 

Second, take a look at the clip of the Pyramid Head "rape" scene:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARvzXyf5KPA&feature=youtu.be&t=2m13sIt's not edited out. In fact, it simply looks to me like it accidentally skips past the very first look at it, as if it's a glitch. 

Yukichin
Yukichin

 @Reminus I've been following this scandal from the very beginning, and in fact the first thing that happened publicly was Cihi insisting he was owed royalties. The rerecording of the HD Collection voices, as has been stated by Tomm Hulett, was not solely because of Guy (and thus them wanting to avoid legal trouble despite the old voice actors having no grounds to sue; this has been stated by the newer actors). For instance, the new voices were created specifically to sound better in 5.1 surround sound, which the old voices would have to have been emulated 5.1.

 

Try taking a look through this thread, starting at this page (when Guy first spoke out about the royalties), and perhaps you'll get the whole story instead of just Guy's side:http://silenthillforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=23562&start=140 In fact, I'll even help you out a bit: 

http://thegamingliberty.com/index.php/2011/06/10/original-james-voice-actor-speaks-out-about-silent-hill-2-hd-re-casting/http://www.relyonhorror.com/latest-news/troy-baker-explains-why-james-sunderland-was-recast/ http://silenthillforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=626379#p626379http://silenthillforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=626803#p626803 

 

Cihi is clearly not someone who's in it "for the fans":http://silenthillforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=626061#p626061And he's on record completely insulting Konami:http://silenthillforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=627030#p627030Shall I continue? 

Reminus
Reminus

It is very surprising that for some reason, even though it was originally intended for PS3, that it would be that broken.  @Yukichin

Yukichin
Yukichin

 @Reminus  I'm not surprised, usually, when the PS3 version is the most glitchy; it seems to happen that way most often. It's surprising in this case, though, since it was originally FOR PS3.

Reminus
Reminus

That would be quite funny if the book of memories is the most perfect.

 

I heard the PS3 is the broken one, and not the Xbox360. It isn't really fair that game developers don't ensure all of the systems work perfectly instead of throwing the games out there for different ports and one of them gets hurt because of that. At this point, the PS3 version of the HD collection needs a patch.

 

I also have no had any problem with dropping weapons. If I dropped a weapon is was my own fault for pressing the button and dropping it.

@Yukichin

Yukichin
Yukichin

 @Reminus I know they pushed it back, but I just wonder if they had a target release date, realized they couldn't make it, and then Konami told them to release it soon anyway? With how much passion Tomm Hulett has for the series, it's hard for me to believe he'd be okay with releasing a mess, although I know he was only tangentially involved with the HD Collection.

 

I notice the framerate dips a tad; they're only really annoying when they turn the camera around on me. I've read that some people drop their weapons while attacking (but they're not broken), but I'm not sure.

 

I'll laugh so hard if Book of Memories is the most perfect of the bunch.

Reminus
Reminus

Even if he's a creature designer, he still knows his ropes around the games because he was in the development for both two and three. And yeah, I've seen the PS3 bug, and I've seen some other bugs as well, and well as heard them. I don't know what to say about rushing though... They pushed it back a lot, right?

 

I agree with Downpour, but the only really thing I have noticed from all my playthroughs is the framerate dips, and even then for me it isn't that bad. I mean Harvest Moon: A wonderful Life Special edition for the PS2 had the same problem, if not worst. Maybe that's why I don't notice it in Downpour lol. Imagine playing a calm game with worst framerate hiccups then Downpour and you got Harvest Moon there.

 

And Book of Memories... Oh boy. Let's hope it doesn't have the problem of both of these games combined.  @Yukichin

Yukichin
Yukichin

 @Reminus  Except he's said that it's /always/ been about the fans, which is a complete lie. He REALLY rubs me the wrong way. Either way, I'm more inclined to feel that he's been in the wrong for just about everything since multiple people spoke out about him. I know Mary was really diplomatic about it, but still honest; love that woman.

 

I thought Ito was just the creature designer? Either way, it's surprising they released it with as many bugs as it (apparently) has. I haven't played it yet, but I've read a lot of the complaints. I wonder if Konami rushed it, or something.

 

Then again, even Downpour has bugs... I wonder if Book of Memories will too. Downpour's pretty great so far even with the glitches, though.

Reminus
Reminus

I hope they patch it too. I mean how come they didn't check? Even the original creator of 1-3 is wondering what the heck is going in! Look at this- https://twitter.com/#!/adsk4/status/183196016282046464

 

And actually a bunch of fans had been sending him stuff, and  I assume when he realized how big the fan base was and the outcry from that he decided  that he should do it for the fans. It wasn't a sudden switch.

 

And actually I think the first first thing was the blurring of his face, then following was the sudden contact to sign the contract, then they called him saying they would get back to him, then never did, then he found out about the HD collection. I read it up somewhere, but I don't recall.     @Yukichin

Yukichin
Yukichin

 @Reminus I do agree that the blurring of his face was odd and even problematic. But from what I gathered from the very beginning is that the first thing that happened--at the very least, the first PUBLIC thing that happened--is that Guy was either contacted about signing the waiver or he just heard about the HD Collection... and immediately assumed he was owed royalties. That is patently false; voice actors are only owed royalties if their work is used in a completely separate game (such as Thessaly's work from the first game being used in Silent Hill 3). After Guy tried to claim this, everyone else came out and stated he was wrong. I don't necessarily like Troy saying it's Guy's fault, although to a point, it was, seeing as he caused this huge stink over something he was not owed.

 

He can say he stood for the whole cast, but his insults of Konami and constant harping about how HE was owed royalties makes me think differently... not to mention he suddenly switched to "oh, this was always for the fans!". That last part is what rubs me wrong the most. I could have handled some drama and misunderstanding about royalties, but when he publicly demanded money he was not owed then tried to act as if it has always been about the fans...And no worries about the cutscene! I just hope they manage to patch it or something. 

Reminus
Reminus

Three people were pointing fingers at one person (McGlynn, Troy Baker and Thessaly Lerner pointing fingers at Guy) who probably got angry at their actions and lashed back. He wasn't standing for himself when everything spiraled out of control, it was for the whole cast. Eventually, after seeing who was really being hurt by this whole feud, the Whole cast signed their rights to Konami, which was the first time they all got a written agreement.

 

This is what I can gather up from not only my own research but the links you have provided me as well.

 

 Also I'm sorry I didn't say this before about your post, but you are correct about the Pyramid head cut scene. Apparently it's a glitch where cut scenes load slower for the PS3 system, thus why it seems like  the scene is cut out. It's a fault in the making of the HD collection for the PS3.

@Yukichin@oldfriend86

Reminus
Reminus

I read through all the links you have provided me, and from these and past research and knowledge of this whole situation, I'm going to try and break this down as condensed as I can... Which may stretch for 2 post at most.

 

The whole problem seems to stem with the "In Making of" video, where they burled out his face. This was far before the HD remake was even being talked about. Then, when the HD remake was being made, they said they wanted to freshen things up.Mary Elizabeth McGlynn was approached by Konami to direct the new voice acting, and claimed Guy had been ignoring calls from Konami representatives trying to work the problem out. So then a bunch of stuff happens, people start pointing fingers, suddenly the HD release having new voices is not because they wanted to freshen things up, but because "It's Guy's fault!" Troy's own words from his mouth.

@Yukichin@oldfriend86

Yukichin
Yukichin

 @oldfriend86 Please see my reply to Reminus. MULTIPLE sources have stated that Guy was not owed royalties, and this entire debacle started out with him solely wanting money rather than anything to do with any fans of the game whatsoever.

oldfriend86
oldfriend86

 @Yukichin Guy may have started the fire, but it was Konami's fault in the first place. Konami had no contract with the voice actors regarding anything outside of the original SH2 PS2 release. When your voice is used in a game and then that game gets ported to other systems and in this case a HD release, you are entitled to a percentage of those profits. Konami was re-using the original voices for Restless Dreams for XBOX and this HD release, without the voice actors' consent or them getting paid. THAT is not fair and what Guy and the other voice actors were fighting for.

 

On the contrary, Guy didn't know there were fans of Silent Hill 2. When he found out how so many people loved Silent Hill 2, that's when he reconsidered the fight. He and the other voice actors agreed to give up their rights for any other installment of SH2...for the sake of the fans.

 

http://silenthaven.tumblr.com/post/14130461933/the-horrorcast-sits-down-with-guy-cihi-original

RyanJohns1
RyanJohns1

The full scene is still in the 360 version.

 

And I don't think it was "edited" out of the PS3 version either. A glitch is causing it to skip the first couple seconds of the scene.

MrSnaztastic
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It's saddening that these re-releases are getting defined more by what they leave out than what they add.